Patent's Should Be Free! Why? Options

[vandiermen]

Patent System Proposal to Government

A politician in my country campaigned before parliament and in the media before an election to promote innovation in my country, using words like helping our most talented. I thought of this but I do not think he will do anything.

Briefly: If you want to promote innovation/inventing in your country a good way I see is to get rid of all the patenting fee’s. By doing this you will free inventors to promote their ideas more securely and get all these people with ideas to come out and do something with their ideas.

A big cultural innovative problem is inventers & people with ideas and theories and concepts on the one hand what they have perhaps being important and beneficial to society or productivity in society, it also being their idea and them wanting the credit for it or knowing it has value and is a valuable asset to them. Worried about theft of their idea and disillusionment about them being able to do anything with their ideas & inventions.

Well so because corruption of companies, fraud and stealing & copying peoples ideas is rife. You give out your idea with out protecting your idea and scrupulously making sure the world does not just take they use your idea like your irrelevant. This brings me to the point that the good parts to the patenting system must not be changed, you must do what the patent offices are doing and search the worlds patent offices and make sure people have not infringed on inventers work thereby catching them and making more money for your country via tax from the pure profits they make from the worlds frauds. Digital Database of institutions is a good way to look because it is easily accessible and because they have initiated bring it in to a legal right in their name, But this is not enough because the criminals also steal & copy with out putting it in their name.

If there is country you find that does not acknowledge and respect German patents legally as well as bring them to court over found infringements on existing patents - To save arguments, if they acknowledge and respect their own countries patents then every patent after that is lodged in your country a duplicate must sent to their country

Plant Breeders Rights, Circuit Layouts, Invention and Concept Patenting, Registered Designs, Video Copyright & Broadcasting, Literature, Company Brand names and products, Anything like this for your society and your people to make money for your country by them making money off the worlds frauds, corrupt, conarttests, inconsiderate, hateful using people, People that take from your countries peoples hard work and creativity like they were irrelevant. People within your country that use the open, vulnerable and defenseless.

I just really hate them, I don’t what to see them get credit for anything they pretend is theirs, even down to theories they broadcast and make out to be theirs, or take for granted and use like you were irrelevant.

You do this and you will get every person with and invention locked away in a filing cabinet, Password protected on their computer to come out and do something with their idea! This should be done for the progression of society and better well being of humanity.

To make an investment in your country and it smartest people and in their younger and less wealthy stages, The grater tax profits in comparison to the loss made from your paten office and filing patents make it worth while.

People starting out inventing stuck with out a hope in the world.

Setting up a group list of lawyers/patent attorneys being paid for out of the settlement of the case, for if need be when an infringement on a persons patent is found but they do not have the money, know-how on how to go about it, or desire to do this them selves.

It is a pity a world can be locked to the progression of open advancement to technology and cheaper and better products & forms of manufacture & etc And the best of the worlds ideas are not instantly available and sometimes because of the societies systems and cultures. But a world can have this - in the form of free to access easily assessable technology database, and use of the inventions and products for a cost & commission set by the inventor on their page of the database, and also with an option for 3rd party, 2nd man, finance company, investor, financier, sponsor, etc. to make an offer to the inventor different from the inventers offer, also settlement option and any other way an inventor, seller, broker, trader, merchant or supplier would like to do business with and use. It should be enough of the imposed lengthy negotiations with Patent Attorneys & courts, with absolutely ridiculous massive fees for patents……….

What do I want and why did I send this to you, I would like to see this implemented, a bill/legislation for this be made and for this to be done it need to be pasted through parliament

Regards, Michael Van Diermen
michael@vandiermen.net


copy of this can be found here:
http://www.vandiermen.net/randomideas/pate...ystem_intro.htm

[123bowen]

I didnt read your long message, but this is what i have to say.

Patents must be at a price where it eliminates a large percentage of moronic inventors who creates meaningless inventions like the Big Hair Hat, Keg Head, Portable Nuclear Shelter and the Geek Pouch. Oh yea and the tottaly absurd Jet Propulsion Gold Club these will just force the Patent office to hire more examiners, for this being said there will be less time for these examiners to examine inventions that would really help our society.

You see there are lots of idiotic inventors who tries to make any thing to become a millionaire. But every great inventor knows money isnt what drives him or her, its really how much it will help man kind.

http://www.totallyabsurd.com/jetpropulsiongolfclub.htm
http://www.totallyabsurd.com/geekpouch.htm
http://www.totallyabsurd.com/portablenucle...learshelter.htm
http://www.totallyabsurd.com/keghead.htm
http://www.totallyabsurd.com/featuredinvention.htm

Also, patents are soley for business purposes, the owner or the owners can make a monopoly in a country. And if you think assets should be for free go call your Real Estate agent and argue that you should get the 5 million dollar home because its not fair to lock it up empty.

[123bowen]

Oh how could I forget the Diaper Alarm.

http://www.totallyabsurd.com/diaperalarm.htm

[vandiermen]

Ok so if you think it is a stupid idea, all these people should continue to not show their ideas because they might be a bit strange or impractical. Leonardo de Vinci came up with hundreds of things like this I am sure you would of thought of as moronic but in the future resources and concepts changed and many of his ideas became revolutionary

by the way thanks for your other backwards replies to my 3 posts, maybe you are doing it for arguments sake and trying to get someone to respond and continue the posts

[123bowen]

Well, read:

"Record Time From Filing Date To Issue Date?, Backlog at the U.S. Patent Office" Posted By Simon on the Inventnet forum

In short, there is so many patent applications that needs to be review. Let me rephrase that, TOO MANY needs to be reviewed. Because of this the price is highly likely to go up 15%.

Like I said before, the high price is to eliminate a certain percentage of inventions that are unfit for the business world.

[kennethc]

Here is the real need =>

Speed up the Patent application process !

Diaper Alarm
US Patent Issued In 1980

Are you tired of sticking your fingers down a wet diaper for moisture verification? How else can you know if your baby’s diaper is wet again? If you had the Diaper Alarm invented in 1980, you could become a quick -change artist and keep your fingers dry!

Simply clamp the sensor onto the diaper and when your baby wets, mild electrical conduction along your baby’s skin activates blinking lights and an alarm. Is it just us or do you think there is something a little wrong with combining babies, electricity and water?


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I don't see anything wrong with that! The editor wasn't very smart . The same principle of
detecting water level at the swimming pool => Combination of electicity & water.

Wet Sensor diaper could be a good device for elder dementia residents in nursing home.
Changing adult diaper could be a difficult task.
You can't simple touch his/her butt (sexual harrass?) to check if the diaper is wet.

[CriterionD]

For what its worth, there is a whole US patent subclass devoted to diapers with 'wetness indicators or alarms.' Class 604, subclass 361. 178 patents issued.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?...&FIELD2=&d=PALL

There are at least a few good reasons why patents are not free and cannot realistically be made free. But discouraging 'moronic' inventions isn't technically one of them. 'Moronic' inventions will always be encouraged as long as innovation is encouraged. Brilliant or pointless, innovation is innovation. And, what is not viable can be a subjective issue - telling people what is or isn't viable discourages innovation. Many successful entrepreneurs have had to face a good deal of resistance before others were willing to take them seriously.

In any event, the current system in place, as has been already noted, does not discourage against 'moronic' inventions. For a quick laugh, look up US patent # 6,293,874.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6293874.pdf

Anyways, first of all, in order for the system to work legitimately, patents need to hold weight in a court of law. Meaning, examiners are needed to weed out inventions that are not patentable according to specified legal standards. The USPTO for example, is already somewhat understaffed, and continues to receive record numbers of patent applications each year. If patents and related prosecution became free, the USPTO would receive far less in terms of applicant fees, and at the same time, the expenses incurred by it would skyrocket exponentially.

Moreover, if patents were free, everybody and their mother would file for patents, without regard to whether they planned to do anything with their inventions, and without regard to whether their inventions were patentable. If patent prosecutution was free, anybody with a patent could and likely would sue anybody for infrinement even where they didn't feel they had much of a case.

Patents cost a lot of money to obtain and maintain. They can be a burden on the individual inventor. But I don't think that?€™s unfair persay. In many cases its true that marketing execution is useless without the innovative idea - that?€™s part of the theory behind the patent system. But people like to overlook the fact that the idea is also useless without the execution. Considering the amount of time, money, and effort generally required to successfully market any product, the PTO and attorney fees associated with patents are arguably a small price to pay for the ability to profit nicely from a venture despite only coming up with an less than developed idea.

The system in place now doesn't discriminate against 'bad' inventions, but it does discriminate against those who are not serious about investing time and money into their inventions - and this is absolutely necessary. Its a 'can't have your cake and eat it too' type of deal. Higher fees make the system work more smoothly but discourage innovation, lower fees encourage innovation but make the system less realistic. While some patent reform is certainly needed, I do believe that the fee structures currently in place represent a decent middle ground (at least in the US, though I'd assume similar logic would apply elsewhere as well).